In this in-depth discussion between Regina Spektor and Neal Katyal, they explore the 2018 Supreme Court case Trump v. Hawaii, which upheld Donald Trump's "Muslim ban". Katyal, who argued the case and lost, explains the legal backdrop, while Regina offers personal reflections as a refugee from the Soviet Union. She expresses frustration over the vilification of immigrants and the moral failures of laws that lack empathy. Regina draws parallels between historical injustices like the Japanese internment and modern-day discrimination against refugees, particularly Muslims, while also examining the human impact of such policies. The conversation highlights the balance between legal rulings and their moral implications, with Regina emphasizing the responsibility of political leaders to stay connected to their humanity. Toward the end, Regina reflects on how nervousness and performance anxiety have accompanied her throughout her career, sharing the wisdom she learned from her mother about playing music for a higher purpose and bringing her best self to the stage.